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Joshua Bond's avatar

So now I know where "I prefer the hell of chaos to the hell of order" comes from - I should have guessed it might have come from a poet like Szymborska. Thanks for that. With various rhyming dictionaries to hand (a couple listed by pure alphabetical spelling, and a couple listed phonetically disregarding the spelling) I'm always intrigued as to which words lie either side of the one I'm looking at.

Thank you for the note-link to Deborah Osberg's life in the Serra mountains, which we can see from our house, about an hour's drive away. Very Interesting, and with interesting further links popping up in the feed.

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comment from my email:

Lists come in all colors, sizes and shapes.

When I shop for groceries, I like to take lists. I don’t want to burden myself with remembering---lists free my mind for wandering, which is at the top of my list for what to do with my mind.

And that raises another question. There are ordered lists (or rankings) and there are coequal lists. Next to each line item on a listing, there might be a coefficient indicating a “weight” to be given to it.

The number of items on a list matters, with 10 being the traditionally preferred number. But that seems arbitrary. Had mankind evolved differently, we might have six fingers on each hand and 12 might have become the favored number. Strangely, there are 12 months, but having 13 months of 28 days each seems more logical, with a “Leap Day” thrown in between years. The well-known “Ten Commandments” of the Bible are 10 commandments in one translation but 11 commandments in another and if I remember correctly, there are 613 commandments in Judaism.

Then there are ordered lists: “Do this first, and then do that.”

Among the ordered lists are conditional lists with “steps”: “(1) Is it (a) or (b)? If (a), skip steps (2) through (5) and proceed directly to step (6).”

There may be nested lists. How do we know when a list ends? Once we thought only 92 elements could be listed. Now I see there are 118.

Might there be circular lists, Moebius lists? Infinite lists? Surely if there were an infinite God, He would have some. Thank God, there isn’t! But maybe there are Hydra-headed lists that cannot be discovered by listless people.

The list of kinds of lists may be endless. If you try to list them all, I’ll try to dream up another.

My reply:

Dear <<>> I called it the 'allure and tyranny' but did not focus on the allure so much, that was a mistake! You are right, lists can both liberate our minds by organizing information, yet also confine our thinking within their structure.

The idea of "Moebius lists" is fascinating, suggesting a cyclical or perhaps even infinite nature. It brings to mind Borges' "The Library of Babel", where lists of every possible combination of letters exist, creating a sense of both endless possibility and ultimate futility.

Your comment also highlights the inherent human need to categorize and organize, even when faced with the vast and chaotic nature of existence. Perhaps it's this very impulse that drives us to create lists in the first place – to impose order on a world that often seems to lack it.

Lists may indeed be endless

Keep listing, etcetera

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