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JiSK's avatar

For no particular reason, I read Discourses first and Prince afterward, and I have to say the idealism about republicanism Discourses is reputed to have doesn't really come through. It is an instruction manual in appropriate ruthlessness for those with power in a republic as much as it is a depiction of the results; more understated than The Prince but with the same philosophy of what works over what is right. Perhaps this is an artifact of a weak translation.

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Vincent McMahon's avatar

Thank you for posting. The Prince has indeed been used throughout history for many diverse reasons.

What I find is missed in dispatches is that Machiavelli wrote the book after his internment in an Italian prison and using the lessons he learned there.

In doing this he was viewing humans as not being inherently good (and behaving like prisoners), the same way as any systems are based on the 'prisoners dilemma'.

Plato and Confucius both viewed people as inherently good but needed to be educated as such.

For me if we view the world as Machiavelli did, we will never get out of the loop of feeling like we live in a world of prisoners and deceit.

I believe Plato and Confucius had a way out of this loop and something we need to bring back into focus, obviously for the times we live in.

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